HOW POWERFUL IS THE WORD UNION????? c

[azhar_md]

now i know a lot of people see these movies where faMous places such as New York and Washington DC being destroyed first by meteors or asteriods or this huge tidal waves or abduction by aliens and not jus the states but the entire world is under this serious attack ..... movies such as independence day, deep impact,armegeddon, and the day after tomorrow.

But what is the big similiar issue in these situations????? s

what are we all experiencing together???? what are we sharing exactly ?????


it's always in the end in these movies that the whole world ends up working together uniting and using every thing they have got from technology, people, knowledge, forces and strength for ONE purpose and it's to continue life on earth..... i find it hard to admit but these movies give us a huge point that UNION is stronger then we thinK
it is...... all these movies ended in tragedy but with succeding in what they were aiming for and that's surviving if that's not strong enough then i don't know what is:135: :135: :135: :133: :133: :133:

it's a dream that one day we would put aside our differences
(be it in religion, cultures, nationality, race, etc)

and share our advantages together be it knowledge or stength or power or jus existing

i would really love to hear what other would say about this subject i'm ready for the negatives and the positives and thanks

[MoStWaNtEd]

hmm.. what a gr8 topic

i like it so much.

u really have a good point there

"UNION is stronger then we thinK"

yeah u right in this but it's hard

it's hard 2 make the world 1 union

as 4 me i see it impossible

bcoz the differences like u said (religion, cultures, nationality, race, etc)

there's no way 2 leave it and bcoz the hating

that's why we can't live in bliss

thx Azhar and nice topic :)

PEACE

[Petals]

Hi Azhar

I'll be sure to be back

for this

It needs time

so wait for me

Thanks

Petals.

[azhar_md]

hmm.. what a gr8 topic

i like it so much.

u really have a good point there

"UNION is stronger then we thinK"

yeah u right in this but it's hard

it's hard 2 make the world 1 union

as 4 me i see it impossible

bcoz the differences like u said (religion, cultures, nationality, race, etc)

there's no way 2 leave it and bcoz the hating

that's why we can't live in bliss

thx Azhar and nice topic :)



PEACE
thanks a lot for your opinion (MostWanted):181: ...... and that's a pretty good point u got there my friend but why not think of the possibilty..... i kno it's hard.... come to think of it REALLY hard ...... but what if something like a big devestating thing is about to happen to earth and it might destroy life on earth wouldn't we be doing something TOGETHER like what u always see in the movies..... i know what we see on TV can 't always be a reality but wouldn't it be a possibilty that we would forget our differences and unite as one to help each other with our problems ...... this i say when a dangerous thing is about to happen on earth but what if we are in our own normal times when nothing is really happening but world hunder... people starving.... wars in Iraq, palestine, bosnia and



much much more.....thanks again for your opinion :181:and i'd be happy to here more from you

[azhar_md]

Hi Azhar

I'll be sure to be back

for this

It needs time

so wait for me

Thanks

Petals.

:169:no problem:129: ... and i'll be waiting

:256:my thanks to you (Petals)s

[*العنـود*]

Hii AzHar
thank youu soo much for this topic
and i see you"re soo good in englich sabject
and thank you for all

see you
your sister

al3anood

[azhar_md]

thanks for the comment

i'd be happy to hear more from you ':

[Petals]

Hey.

As for the movies, it only sell USA as the protector of the world.

And if you notice heroic comes from there as the rest of the world is not mentioned a lot, except in flashes.

Now who would blame them (?)

Of course no one, their movies, their money, their fantasies, and better their world.

In a song Mariah said

In another land they still believe.
Color brings supremacy.

Aha,nice M, but where (?)

Allah has obtain difference as one of the bases in life.

We can not forget these different, but we learn to accept them as they are,and that in they end we all return to Allah the ultimate judger.



The Fear Factory honey.

In a forest, in a stormy day, animals can get covered in a cave all together.
In Judgment day, human gathered naked and no one simply look at the other.

After the 9/11 events all americans gathered to support President Bush,his popularity went high,because in the time of crises ppl gathered around their leaders and forgets any negativities about them.

And so in movies, in case to make them world wide worth,they join the whole world in facing what they r facing, but give them selves the heroic part ( our saviors). <-- kinda funny if you think of it.

The End Of The World, an idea captured movie makers for years,now with special effects they are simply breath taken, so no matter how we think, we still get goose bumps in the final scenes.

It's a nice topic, but in the end, still if different are not exist, then this world would be unbearable.

I'm so sorry to be late, there are many things that are going around me now.

So, again sorry.

Have a nice day.

Petals.

[the 1 and only]

hello azhar

great topic...

i just wanted to add that the key word here is "personal benefit"

that is, if we try to relate these movies to reality and apply their solutions for our existing problems, it will be pretty hard to even imagine that those "great" people in our world today would walk out on what they have to help someone they really dont care about...

the problem now is that those "great" poeple only think of themselves..as long as the problem doesnt involve them and their luxurious life why even bother ??!!

so mayyyyybe if the issue is "huge" like the one in the movies, they would pitch in coz they are involved..or if it will do them good..

so, if only alllll the poeple think like u and i and the

|467|great ppl here do, the world would be a better place


sorry for taking so long...take care

[azhar_md]

ummmm..... petals sorry to be rude or anything but i'm not talking about judgement day or 9/11 or any of these things that have nothing to do with what i'm talking about...... and big NEWS FLASH honey not everybody supported bush after the attack .......and yes DUH! the US in the end is the hero because it's got the technology it's got the geniuses it's got the development and basically everything ....... i'm talking about UNION ..... and if not amongst the entire world but atleast amongst us muslims....... why is it so hard for us to get together as one to help each other
become strong , developed , and maybe even dominant ...... cuz if we were strong enough maybe unpeaceful events would have not be happening today

[azhar_md]

Thanks (one and only) for your opinions and sharing your thoughts

i agree that these movies are like a propaganda that gives out a point thatthey are the only ones that are going to help us at times like these..... but i'm not talking about them being heroes and when i mentioned the movies i only thought about the world uniting i did not mention the AMERICANS AND WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING!!!!!!!

and i'm not trying to compare and contrast with what's goin on in the real world with what we see in science fictional movieess.. .... ok i kno it's very different

but those movies bring out another point and that's what i and many others grabbed out of it and that point has nothing to do with the US!

i'm sorry forgive my harshness i jus hope i made my self clear and that in the future i hope that i don't complicate ppl too much

[Petals]

Ok, why feeling being offensive of what I've said (?)

Not everybody but the majority did ( fact) , i have frds who didn't, I'm not mocking any one,of whom they are to me.

And if I don't have the freedom to mock those movies, or any other movie, then DUH (!)

Honey it's a fact,that even the americans believe in.

You wanted to talk bout unity, giving block busters movies as the background of your idea, and those movies use the psychological fear factor, which is:

In times of crises, nations gathered around their leaders no matter whom they are.
As them being the symbolic of what they are about.

Crises explains UNION in those movies.

And my examples, are from life it's self, where in many cases we forget our different in times of crises.

Tell me one movie that UNION ppl in any other matter (!)


In another hand if you see maybe other European movies, or Asian, or what so ever, the Hero comes from their geographical space,and selling them as the great nation of all.

You can't (only) get an Idea like this from catastrophic movies, or ells better to watch miss beauty contests ,where each one says "WORLD PEACE" in a very -smiling- sick way.(!)

and if you want to buy it, then it's your problem, but even those movie makers would laugh their guts out. coz they simply know it's PS (!)
Their only concern is The Box Office.


If we're talking about peace, forgiveness,and tolerance, then you know that in times we were ideals of that.

It's justice that gives leadership on earth, or ells Muslims would still lead the world.

Now your replies is in the same matter, different opinions has made you harsh,and being offensive, when no one here has point out any thing ( personal ) to you.

Why haven't you accept my opinion, my difference (?)

And - now- how would you react toward something like this (?)

It's the little things that we need to concentrate first, one to one.you to me, and the opposite as well.
Then, it would spread to others.

Take care.

Petals.

[azhar_md]

ok i realize what ur trying to do...... and that's trying to go throughly over my words and finding a mistake ..... i really don't kno what ur doing exactly but what i do kno is that u know perfectly how to misunderstand me

[azhar_md]

Tell me one movie that UNION ppl in any other matter )don't understand what ur asking here )

[azhar_md]

forget it....... i said nothing to prove that i'm being harsh or offensive jus because of ur different opinion but u did offend my opinion and so i was harsh.... that's called disrespecting my opinion and i'm sorry... that's what ur doing right now trying to make my idea seem like it sucks..... instead of trying to encourage me that maybe it could happen if such and such happens

[azhar_md]

those movies explained union only when the ppl starting cooperating with each other not when crisis happened and i'm not basing my idea on movies but this idea could exist with or without the movies don't misundertsand me

[the 1 and only]

hi again azhar

actually i dont think u got my point either...i didnt mean only americans..when i said "great people in our world"i meant anyone out there who has the ability to change or unit...

what i was trying to say is that in our present situation, where everyone is only looking for their own good, its difficult to even hope for a union!!

i know u didnt mean the americans, only the idea of uniting, but still america has to come up due to the fact that its uniting the world under its control!!

so,if those people who can make a difference are willingly obeying that dominating power

(when its really difficult not to, especially that it gives them what they want regardless of the struggling of the rest)

its hard to unit out side the movies....

ofcourse i wish that us Muslims would unit together and return the power to our hands but lets just say that not all Muslims today r like those of the past when their priority was to serve their religion and i dont mean by that to go out there and fight but we should try to improve ourselves...americans didnt get their power from nothing!!!


i hope im making sense...sory if i got carried away but i wantd to speak my mind.....

:SMIL:thank you

[azhar_md]

first i'd like to say thank you for ur patience with me since i'm not being so very understanding with the rest of the members that are giving me replies about this subject......

sorry i have a bad habit of attacking ppl with out thinking

secondly, thank u for your reply and clearing your past statements about this subject

i now understand what u mean ..... i think u are right when u say that everyone is looking for their own good...... and that is VERY true.... the entire world is jus woking so hard and struggling jus to survive and at the same time it wants to mind it's own buisness...... lets say not the entire world but thats basically the idea..... because nobody wants to be involved in such things such as..... helping the world and world peace and balah blah..... bbecause therir busy with themselves as individauls or helping their own small society such as families and relatives for instance.......

As for the dominant power..... yes we all know who that is and we all know what it's trying to do and what it's trying to achieve........

what if i asked this question what would make us (muslims) back to what we were in the past what are the tinest things that we can do ...... to make us what we are hoping to be and more?

[the 1 and only]

ohhhh thats a tough one...



well i believe that we need to start from scratch....we should start from ourselves and then move on to creating a power

..we need to really understand Islam right..


the problem is that everyone observes it in a different way...take the extremist as an example..look at what they are doing to the world under the name of Islam..its truly shameful!!

we should be more reasonable




another thing is that when it comes to Muslims alot believe that its all about religion..true it is based on religion and from it we should improve ourselves in all the different fields coz we stand for Islam..we ought to present it in an honourable way..the way it deserves to be !!


Of course returning our power is not at all simple as words..especially that the world has changed from what it used to be when we ruled…its developing and running so fast…we need to catch up…


i just hope i'll live to see the day when Islam is once again the dominating power.....



Well..there is a lot to that question than that…but I believe this is very important…


Take care…..

[azhar_md]

i was just having a conversation with myself....... yes i talk to myself alot and i think it's healthy to do so.......... that people these days are judging Islam itself by looking at the people who are practicing it

and your right about starting out..... starting out with practicing Islam the right way

we i think we should prove otherwise........ i mean that what's going on in the world today that's not what Islam asked...... right? shouldn't we prove it or should we be busy worrying about catching up ?

i don't know, ok Islam is one thing..... what next? teaching our children to use their brains and behaive right?

thank you for giving me one of the most important things of starting out ..... but there's more right? i
think so

and let us all pray that we do one day become more developed and cross boundries and go beyond the future and dicover new things that hasn't been discovered yet

( اللهم استجيب دعائنا يا أرحم الرحمين)

[MoStWaNtEd]

first of all sorry 4 being lazy 2 respond :)

anyway i just want 2 say I don't believe there's something can happened like u said

alien or anything unusual it's hard 2 imagine that

4 me i c the reality in our life and i judge on it

even if something extraordinary happend the world will divide

we saw the WW2 documentary, even when the world know that Hitler was wrong

Italy was his allies and the world divided again.


thx again 4 ur gr8 topic :)

PEACE

[azhar_md]

woah! dude ! i said nothin bout aliens invading us.:219: .... :181: but any way thanks for the reply........


and yes Germany had many allies but the reasons why (in my opinion:266: ) is because of their own benefit like economically probably and they knew that being with germany it would leave them in a very good position.....


thank u MostWAnted

[azhar_md]

but what do u mean we divide when something like this happens?????? i don't get it

[MoStWaNtEd]

lol i know u haven't said that but in the movies u've mentioned it b4 its talking about it

so i said that b4 u started :)


hmm.. divided...

i ment if its happened really a big disaster happened 2 earth

the world will divided :)

PEACE